974,364
Yes, Redfin has suffered a major drop in valuation from a high in the $90s/per share in February '21 to a close today of just $3.27/per share. A true disruptor, a disruptor of the pocketbooks of many investors.
Wrote a bit about Opendoor & Zillow a few days ago (Nov 6th) in response to a question about Opendoor...
"Using technology to buy and sell", I guess their proprietary technology Failed! Further proof that the iBuyer model isn't bulletproof.
No fear, just stay clear of ticker "OPEN" on the Nasdaq. It's not a good investment, it's more of a gamble. In February '21 it had a high of about $28./per share, it's now down to about the price of a Two Buck Chuck at Trader Joe's.
Curious about Zillow? In February '21 it reached a high of a little more than $161./per share, this past Friday it had a closing price of $32.52/per share.
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Peter Mohylsky, Beach ...
Miramar Beach, FL
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Joan Cox
Denver, CO
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Jeff Dowler, CRS
Carlsbad, CA
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
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Anna "Banana" Kruchten
Phoenix, AZ
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Patricia Feager, ABR,C...
Flower Mound, TX
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Debbie Gartner
White Plains, NY
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Shayne Stone
Fulshear, TX
3,222,203
Yeah, that gimmicky business model failed along with Z's and OD's. They are not leading anywhere, except for loss of revenue!
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Beth Atalay
Clermont, FL
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Greg Large
Grove City, OH
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
1,594,354
There are so many unsustainable business models out there and in the last 5 years, especially the next 2, we'll see them succumb to the laws of economics.
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Carla Freund
Raleigh, NC
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Anna "Banana" Kruchten
Phoenix, AZ
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Joan Cox
Denver, CO
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
821,360
No, I haven't heard, they don't have a big presence up here. Thanks for sharing John.
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Joan Cox
Denver, CO
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
1,086,162
Bye Felicia 🤭
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Carla Freund
Raleigh, NC
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Anna "Banana" Kruchten
Phoenix, AZ
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Greg Large
Grove City, OH
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Brenda Mayette
Glenville, NY
5,127,572
Yep I saw that this morning. Not a big surprise.
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Emily Medvec
Santa Fe, NM
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Anna "Banana" Kruchten
Phoenix, AZ
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
3,631,934
What Pete Xavier said........
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
2,467,732
Without reading the sub-comment I assumed the disrupt-er you speak of would be inflation John Juarez
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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Joan Cox
Denver, CO
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
5,947,907
Now that markets are shifting, I can understand why.
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Karen Climer
Orlando, FL
4,292,262
Hello John Juarez I am not aware of Redfin exiting the iBuyer business.
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Joan Cox
Denver, CO
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
5,394,025
What goes up must go down if the business plan is not sound!
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Anna "Banana" Kruchten
Phoenix, AZ
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
1,527,374
Yes. Can't say I'm shocked.
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Anna "Banana" Kruchten
Phoenix, AZ
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
5,222,706
Hi John... I read about that just earlier today. This was not a sustainable business model with the way iBuyers were throwing money at home sellers.
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Emily Medvec
Santa Fe, NM
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Joan Cox
Denver, CO
3,396,534
Seems more like the "Disruptor" business model got disrupted.
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
1,399,753
In the case of Redfin and other iBuyers, Bob "RealMan" Timm, it is deflation in the value of the homes they purchased.
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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Joan Cox
Denver, CO
1,862,762
Saw that .... not shocked another 'disruptor' bit the bullet.
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Anna "Banana" Kruchten
Phoenix, AZ
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
401,434
back in the late 90s when my wife was building a website and the developer wanted to put "make an offer" she laughed and said.... no, people want to sit on the couch before the buy the house. I really never thought of redfin as a disrupter, just a fad.
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
6,590,115
It has not been a great year for ibuyers, all of them seem to be paying the penalty that all investors pay for buying for a price that is too high.
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
1,263,191
It does seem that layoff's are in the air around the business. Go figure. every successful business starts off with a well developed business plan that is not dependent upon the rise and fall of the market.
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - W...
St. George, UT
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
2,820,530
They represent statistically a segment of agents/businesses who just give-up or walk away not an uncommon behavior for irresponsible Golddiggers. The true pro finishes what they start, never gives up and is rid of excuses too
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Richie Alan Naggar
Riverside, CA
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Thomas J. Nelson, REAL...
La Jolla, CA
1,255,748
By now these guesstimats, prices seem to suggest there is a big disconnect in reality. With high interest and longer marketing time, it is debatable the flip is even profitable.
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Sam Shueh
San Jose, CA
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
455,902
I'm not surprised. People thought Redfin would revolutionize the industry. Apparently not. Thanks for sharing! - Happy Thanksgiving!!
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
360,189
All of the iBuyer programs were under-estimating risk, which I had pointed out to my team a number of years back when they were all launching these programs.
As to Redfin's partnership program- my firm had partnered with them for NYC nearly 2 years ago to help extend their reach. It's no up front cost with a success fee for a closed deal. My firm had structured the success fee- so that a closed Redfin lead cost the agents no more than it would cost from an internally firm provided lead. I was ok with that part. The part that I couldn't handle was their policy of needing to respond to leads within 5 minutes of receipt. If they had adjusted their system accordingly- I would have been fine with their policy. They left the parameters the same as what they have for the rest of the nation- and that doesn't work so well here. There are a lot of agents in this town that earn their entire annual income on resales in 1 or 2 buildings...or within a specific neighborhood. Instead they have every lead within 20 miles of the city having me jump like one of Pavlov's dogs in order to meet their requirement when the text message rolls in- including NJ leads- and I am not even licensed for NJ- and even 1 lead for PA (which is at 60-90 minutes to the border even with a car). Most of my territory is walkable from my home (or just a few stops on the subway) so I was tearing my hair out trying to keep up with the Redfin process- only to find out most of those leads were not part of my sales territory- but I still needed to run over to my phone constantly to verify that.
Perhaps the process is smoother in areas where agents typically own cars- but most of us don't - but even if I had a car, it's not practical to drive on a busy day constantly looking for a parking space here.
I gave Redfin my feedback, and they were not prepared to make adjustments to their systems to accommodate the agents working in NYC- which operates differently in many ways from the rest of the nation. The buyer leads that were coming from Redfin were mostly entry level buyers so it wasn't exactly a loss for me when I opted out of their referral program. The crazy part was when my firm partnered with them, they were scratching their heads wondering why it was so hard to retain good partner agents...well I gave them the reasons- but they weren't ready to address the feedback.
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
1,620,316
Check out COMP and EXPI and their stock prices. I suspect smart investors are getting out of real estate franchise stocks and getting into, perhaps, home improvement stocks.
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
779,539
The so called disrupters are like Wac-a-mole. One gets knocked down and another one pops up.
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
2,234,930
It sounds like I-Buying isn’t that Profitable
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA
933,489
459,182
ibuyer strategy, whether Zillow or Opendoor or Redfin is not sustainable in a volatile market. Redfin still has estimated that its inventory of homes in the RedfinNow program was around $265 million at the end of October. It expects to own less than $85 million by the end of January 2023 and eliminate all remaining inventory by the second quarter of 2023. The bottom line is at what price will this inventory reach the market and impact prices in those local markets. At the same time, both Redfin and Zillow have customer eyeballs. IMO there is a lot of moving parts and I do not celebrate the loss of nearly 900 employees losing their jobs.
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John Juarez
Fremont, CA