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Carol Williams
Although I'm retired, I love sharing my knowledge and learning from other real estate industry professionals. - Wenatchee, WA
Retired Agent / Broker / Prop. Mgr, Wenatchee, WA

I'm a purist. A First Time Homebuyer is a First Time Homebuyer, not someone who has bought a home ever before... regardless of the time lapse.  You don't become a virgin because you haven't had intimate relations for 3 years or more.

May 14, 2019 01:34 PM
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Michael Jacobs
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Like Carol Williams said born-again virgins might exist on an episode of Sex And The City but not in real estate.  

May 14, 2019 01:37 PM
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Diana Dahlberg
1 Month Realty - Pleasant Prairie, WI
Real Estate in Kenosha, WI since 1994 262-308-3563

After reading and re-reading all I could think of was "what difference does it matter?"  Sorry this gave me a headache. IMHO

May 14, 2019 08:16 PM
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Candice A. Donofrio
Next Wave RE Investments LLC Bullhead City AZ Commercial RE Broker - Fort Mohave, AZ
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I agree with Carol. Re-entries not a first time buyer.

May 14, 2019 04:28 PM
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Chicago Suburbs, I would say that LO info would be more inline because after all, they check out peoples credit reports. How would NAR know except by poll? Which is more credible?

I have not worked with anyone that repurchased from the crash. 

I guess I'll go with 31% but I believe that LO figures would be more credible.

May 14, 2019 03:33 PM
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenbarger Team
Keller Williams Western Realty - Bellingham, WA
Lakeside & Coastal Single Family Homes

FTHB make up much less than either of those numbers in our county so I'll go with the NAR number because its the lower of the two.

May 14, 2019 02:01 PM
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Bob Crane
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After reading this 3 times I am wondering 60 or 31 percent of What?

May 14, 2019 01:32 PM
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Kat Palmiotti
eXp Commercial, Referral Divison - Kalispell, MT
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I agree with Carol. First time buyers shouldn't include repeat buyers, regardless of time lapse. 

I went back over my 2017 and 2018 (NY) deals, and out of the buyer closings, 50% and 37.5% were first-time home buyers in terms of my deals. Granted, it's a very small universe but I would disagree with both figures above.

May 15, 2019 02:55 AM
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Ward County Notary Services - Minot, ND
Owner of Ward Co Notary Services retired RE Broker

I'd guess that the AEI number would be more accurate Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041 

May 14, 2019 06:51 PM
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Thomas J. Nelson, REALTOR ® CRS,ABR,PSA,RCS-D, ePRO
Big Block Realty 858.232.8722 - La Jolla, CA
Serving Coastal San Diego, Veteran's & Seniors

Insufficient data and not sure how it serves my current marketing so not concerned which is correct; 75% of stats are made up. 

May 14, 2019 04:36 PM
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Anthony Acosta - ALLATLANTAcondos.com
Harry Norman, REALTORS® - Atlanta, GA
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I wonder what data was used to come to those percentages and information.

May 14, 2019 03:20 PM
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Diana Zaccaro Broker Associate
ZOOM Realty Group - Cocoa Beach, FL
"The Accidental Blogger" Cocoa Beach, Florida

Neither. They are based are different data sources and it is impossible to know how accurate those sources are.

The mortgage data report is questionable since it is not known if that was from banks only, mortgage brokers only, etc.

The NAR data is suspect since it is based only on responses from REALTORS who responded to a survey and does not indicate what % of REALTORS responded to said survey. (HINT: Most do not even bother to respond).

Therefore, the integrity of the data from both reports is at issue. And the interesting thing about numbers is that you can arrange them however you want to get the desired result.

 

May 14, 2019 03:18 PM
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
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I have no clue. Does the NAR number included those quasi-first time home buyers or not? Are we comparing apples to apples?

May 14, 2019 02:50 PM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
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Annette,
I am an iconoclast. And I say, don’t sweat the small stuff, it is all small stuff ! LOL. A

May 14, 2019 01:42 PM
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Peter Testa
Kiwi Homes - Danbury, CT
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A FTHB is a FTHB, not someone who has allready bought- so as much as I dislike saying they're right, I'll go with NAR's figures.

Did you know you can now buy the whole 2018 report for only $19.99 (that's the Realtor price)? It should be free.

May 15, 2019 04:54 AM
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Sandy Padula & Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West & Florida Realty Investments - , CA
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AEI is closer to being accurate in our opinion from actual buyer experience

May 14, 2019 03:55 PM
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Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

Too complicated for me.

May 14, 2019 03:02 PM
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Doug Dawes
Keller Williams Evolution - 447 Boston Street, Suite #5, Topsfield, MA - Topsfield, MA
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To me, a first-time buyer is a first-time buyer. A buyer rentering after 3 years of not being a buyer only works with first-time buyer for mortgages

May 15, 2019 09:53 AM
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
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For once, I'm in agreement with NAR! 

Seriously, 'RE-entering the market' after 3 years says it all. That does not denote a first time homebuyer. 

May 15, 2019 07:38 AM
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Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
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I do not believe either is correct.  I like the virgin analogy. Perhaps first time needs to be defined or redefined. 

May 15, 2019 09:44 AM
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Sam Shueh
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My first time buyer twenty something often can come up with 400K cash down.  

May 15, 2019 06:06 AM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Oswego, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

Carol Williams covered the issue from my point of view.

May 17, 2019 05:10 AM
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John Juarez
The Medford Real Estate Team - Fremont, CA
ePRO, SRES, GRI, PMN

The source of the data in not qualitatively equal.

May 16, 2019 02:09 PM
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