1,870,353
Survey's don't expired they just get old like realtors.
6 months is all it's good for to a lender.
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Barbara Todaro
Franklin, MA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Peter Mohylsky,
Miramar Beach, FL
5,310,754
Banks do not require them. If a survey is more than a few years old, title insurance might put in exemptions as to what is covered under the title policy. An older one can work if (a) you are certain it's accurate and (b) no changes have been made on the property, such as fences or other structures. I recommend a survey to all my clients if the seller does not have one or if it's more than 5 years old and it's clear that changes may have occurred on the property lines.
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Susan Emo
Kingston, ON
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
2,230,207
I always suggest buyers to order their own survey when purchasing a single family home.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Anthony Acosta - ALLAT...
Atlanta, GA
2,520,664
A survey is extremely rare in my area Peter Mohylsky, SoWal Is HOME. I think I had one in the last 20 years.
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Anthony Acosta - ALLAT...
Atlanta, GA
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Peter Mohylsky,
Miramar Beach, FL
5,481,776
Not always, but most often. In my experience a survey over 6 months old must be recertified or redone to get title insurance protection over matters of survey!
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Peter Mohylsky,
Miramar Beach, FL
2,249,054
State specific
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Joseph Domino 480-390-...
Scottsdale, AZ
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
1,751,637
The answer is up to the 'players' in the transaction, usually the lender. I have had several when financing was not involved that the buyers opted for no updated survey
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
486,234
A survey is useful as long as it is accurate and there have not been any changes or additions to the home or on the land. Any improvement will make the survey invalid for most Title and Mortgage Companies uses.
I have had surveys that are several years old accepted by a Title Company or Lender in a transaction since it was still accurate. Each Lender has a different level of acceptance on the age of the survey. The Seller certifies at Closing that the older Survey is accurate and the Buyer accepts the Survey in most Cash Transactions.
In other cases, A New Survey is required, usually by the Lender or in new construction. A Survey is also needed in case you make any improvements that requires a building permit, so a Survey is a good idea for any homeowner.
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
932,948
Most lenders and title insurance companies want one done. Things happen like fences built over the line, buildings or decks built in the setback area or over the property line, an easement could have been added, someone could of done a boundary line adjustment and sold part of their land to a neighbor, etc.
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Eve Alexander
Tampa, FL
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
457,060
Interesting you ask...
Our sales meeting, yesterday, had a surveyor and attorney speak about the ramifications of not performing a boundary survey. I can say I have never had one, but do recommend to clients to get one if they want one. After the class yesterday, I will push it more from this point forward. Not only is it revealing about the property lines, but it is very beneficial for title insurance purposes and also finding out if neighbors (or the seller) have/has encroached on anything.
Examples of property being built beyond the building lines, in the easements, on adjoining property, fences, trees...it is all very telling on the survey and easier to resolve prior to closing and being in your name than when the previous owner is still on the title.
In our area, the surveys are not typically recorded I was told, so why they don't expire, a new one can discover if anything has changed since the previous survey.
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Eve Alexander
Tampa, FL
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
5,486,412
No, they are not required but, highly recommended!
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
662,363
Survey is required if there is a lender involved , if you have an old survey or house location it can be used or updated and may save some $$ during the process
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Minot, ND
1,538,434
A survey of land boundaries is EXTREMELY rare out here in residential tract homes. I did see one last year due to some encroachment issues. I almost had one done on my home before I got my dog so I could build a fence on the line. Downside was it would have cost between $5k and $15k depending on the level of detail desired to do it. The cheapest was "looking at a map" and that was $1,500... the same maps I had through the MLS!
In my case the general wisdom was that the property line ran with the utility lines, which the neighbor agreed with. I put the fence just on my side of the line to be safe.
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
121,632
Lenders require surveys on townhomes and single family homes, not condos. Surveys are good for two years here in Florida. I always suggest a survey for any single family home unless seller has a survey thats less than two years old amd shared, then it’s a valid survey.
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
1,258,639
Many times it is a smart move to have a property surveyed. I don't believe it is required in MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
536,992
It depends on where the property is located. When I lived in IL, a survey was required even for a refi. Here in AZ a survey is seldom required or performed on any transaction.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
1,619,361
I've never needed one in 20 years of selling.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
5,114,065
In Texas not required on a cash deal, an old survey will work if the title company and lender accept it.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
682,539
Peter ~ As explained to me by a settlement agent (but sure my verbiage is off a bit), but the gist is that a survey is a contract between the surveyor and the specific buyer that paid for it. So someone could rely on a previous survey, but if there is a problem the surveyor isn't responsible, since their contract isn't with the current buyer.
Here in Alexandria / Arlington, VA, they are common for townhomes and detached homes. You would be surprised how far a fence line can meander over the past couple hundred years.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
3,430,007
Interesting comments here. I've only had one buyer get one done about 12 years ago on a single family home in a wooded area.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
1,472,185
If I am a Buyer, I want a new survey. When I represent Buyers, I always ask for a new one or at least have the Seller pay for title insurance. Representing Sellers, I have them provide only what is in their possession. They are not required for financing up here and rarely will someone think to ask for a new one.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
1,713,581
If you are referring to a full pin survey, no. On a mortgage a loan survey, yes.
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
1,262,258
Except in very large tract. Like farming or commercial lots boundary.
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
6,685,588
When we break up a parcel.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
1,442,553
I have never handled a transaction in which a survey was required.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
1,100,809
That is a great question. 😎
The answer is, it depends on the transaction. A lender / title insurer may require a survey. If the property is in a platted subdivision it may not be required.
I just went over this this morning with a (cash) buyer for a vacant land parcel. The last time it was probably surveyed, not exaggerating, could have been a hundred years ago. There's no record of survey on file, but there is a plat. Do I think the buyer should survey it? Yeah.
Do surveys expire? No. But changes in the terrain, out here we have accretion and avulsion when the river changes course, and encroachments could affect the survey.
I had a survey done in 2006 that says a property is 91 ac, the previous survey from the 90s said it was 110. The surveyor said that the last time it was surveyed was so long ago and that we have more reliable mapping tools now.
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Kris Collis, Associate...
East Stroudsburg, PA
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
469,575
Surveys are not required in WA state. Occasionally recommended but not required. It's interesting to see the different answers from different areas o this point.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
4,737,169
California doesn't "require" a survey for a residential real estate sale transaction.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
2,848,050
Google takes pictures of streets, homes and public places and may not update them for years. What was then is not now. Same principal with surveys. Was new fence built? An illegal easement created? While boundaries may not move what takes pace in or around them remains of interest
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
3,627,422
Not in my area, the buyer at times request one, but not often
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
8,149,382
No.
What will work depends upon the requirements.
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
5,774,095
Peter,
It really depends on where, what, etc. A
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Dan & Laurie Pittsenba...
Bellingham, WA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
759,592
Surveys are not required in our state, but recommended for commercial and acreage property. Stakes can be moved and fences are not always built at the property line, which is why they should be done as part of a current transaction.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
536,943
557,136
Around here an old one will work with a letter from the owner stating no changes were made to the building.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
3,213,209
4,273,331
52,597
No, a survey is not always required. Professionally, I would always advise a buyer to purchase a new survey, but it is ultimately up to the buyer and the buyer's lender whether or not a survey is required.
613,494
Luckily, I learned early in my career how important a survey is...
IF you are representing the buyer, it is important that you order A NEW APPRAISAL, regardless of cash or finance.
Appraisals have mistakes.
If you use an old appraisal and later have an issue...who are you going after??? The person that did the old appraisal that has no relationship with your buyer?
Eve