John Mosier, Prescott's Patriot Agent  928 533-8142 (Realty ONE Group Mountain Desert)

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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Los Angeles Pasadena 818.516.4393

This sounds like yet another reason not to attend an office picnic.

Jun 25, 2018 02:31 PM
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Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate

Slow down? Reminds me of putting a genie back in the bottle.  Changes need to start at the point of entry-level ...making if far more relevant and challenging to even pass an RE agent or broker exam.  

Brokers need to do a better job in grooming agents and teaching basic "skills" like business 101.  Some might say it's not the Broker's job.  That may be true yet someone needs to do it. 

Seems like the breakdown of "relationships" may have come with the entry of email technology, phone technology (texting) social media, and all the other "on-line" places that people escape to and can easily avoid building relationships. 

We've been trained to want and expect instant gratification. Take the easy pill and you won't have to do the work.  Believing the bull crap that agents get sold every - single - day. 

Oh, you got me started. 

I've never purchased buyer leads ... or any leads.

Jun 25, 2018 04:01 PM
Rainmaker
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
https://HugginsHomes.com - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

Short of educating agents or pulling our listings from portals en-masse, there is no way to slow the trend.  I don't waste my time or money trying to pull buyers anymore, unless they are for my listings (we can double dip in CA).

 

I am also against buying leads.

Jun 25, 2018 03:22 PM
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Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Retired - Franklin, MA
Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team

there is no way to slow it....the damage has been done....they all compete for lousy calls...and they pay every month for whatever zip codes they want.... the more you pay, the better the position....

Jun 25, 2018 02:35 PM
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Candice A. Donofrio
Next Wave RE Investments LLC Bullhead City AZ Commercial RE Broker - Fort Mohave, AZ
928-201-4BHC (4242) call/text

I'm not frayed at all over buyer leads.
I don't aspire to receive buyer leads, unless they are from corporate America (or other countries) wanting to relocate their businesses here. I hope to get them from valued colleagues or clients who believe I am right for the gig. No other competition.

Most buyer leads, my lucky ducky referral partners get them.

My BFFs get them cheap.

Angry, sullen, abrupt buyer leads? Say it ain't so!

Geez. I would be pissed off too if my name was sold to the highest BIDDERS, MANY OF THEM, who then burn up my phone and email incessantly when all I wanted to do was look at listings.

I just got an email from some biatch wanting to sell me a mailing list of CCIM SoNV members (I'm a member) . . . let me tell you, if it was legal to firebomb the living daylights outta these scrapers . . .

List To Last.

Jun 25, 2018 04:32 PM
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Carol Williams
Although I'm retired, I love sharing my knowledge and learning from other real estate industry professionals. - Wenatchee, WA
Retired Agent / Broker / Property Manager

I have never been a fan of spending money on buyer leads.  In my opinion spending that money for Farming and building relationships is way more effective... and long lasting. 

Those leads are sold multiple times to anyone who will pay for them.  If I was getting those calls, I would be annoyed too.  No wonder the real estate industry has such a bad reputation of being vultures.  

Jun 25, 2018 02:56 PM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

John,

We agree wth Barbara Todaro .  And we love the old saying, "List to Last!"  A

Jun 25, 2018 02:42 PM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

Don’t buy leads or participate in these types of programs! Just not for me

Jun 25, 2018 03:07 PM
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Dave Halpern
Keller Williams Realty Louisville East (502) 664-7827 - Louisville, KY
Louisville Short Sale Expert

Don Quixote lost his battle against windmills.

Jun 25, 2018 02:47 PM
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Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

Nope.

Jun 25, 2018 03:36 PM
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Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

like buzzards circling the prey....they wait until the right moment to land & eat their fill. Getting harassing calls from agents trying to talk you out of the biggest investment of your life is an intrusion. The fact that it works sometimes sends a false message. Majority looks down on this...predator/prey relationship

Jun 25, 2018 04:36 PM
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Jon K. Judd
Keller Williams Realty - Central Delaware - Dover, DE
GRI, e-PRO, SFR, Delaware Homes

Not sure how to slow it down... unless you can convince those that buy leads not too... 

I'm not into buying leads... 

Jun 25, 2018 04:20 PM
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Thomas J. Nelson, REALTOR ® e-Pro CRS RCS-D Vets
Big Block Realty 858.232.8722 - La Jolla, CA
& Host of Postcards From Success Podcast

Suckers Buy Leads.

So no, not part of it.

Jun 25, 2018 07:13 PM
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Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, EXP - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

I get so many buyer leads off of my listings that my buyers agents keep very busy, no need for the z chase around here.

Jun 25, 2018 07:40 PM
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
www.iCharlotteHomes.com | The Maxwell House Group | RE/MAX Executive | (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The right Charlotte REALTOR!

It's far easier to teach new hires to buy leads than to spend the time and money it takes to train them properly with the skill set needed to be successful in this business. 

Jun 25, 2018 07:40 PM
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Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

I'm not sure why one cares about any other agent's business model.  you be you.  I'll be me.  Let those who buy leads be them.

Jun 25, 2018 08:53 PM
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William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

Use that money to promote yourself...this money lasts for  long time

Jun 25, 2018 08:31 PM
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Roy Kelley
Realty Group Referrals - Gaithersburg, MD

No.

Jun 25, 2018 06:13 PM
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Anthony Acosta - ALLATLANTACONDOS.COM
Harry Norman, REALTORS® - Atlanta, GA
Associate Broker

I don't pay for leads. 

Jun 26, 2018 08:06 PM
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Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041
ReMax Realtec Group - Palm Harbor, FL
Making FLORIDA Real Estate EZ

Of course I am.

The race to the bottom appears inevitable.

What is missing from the discussion is the clear identification of the FRANCHISE that promoted the 'laying seige' and 'endless exploitation' and 'brazen tactics' promoted in annual gatherings that preceded their 'we got ethics' deception.

As long as such enterprises can continue undisclosed the FRAY goes unimpeded.

What is missing in your question and this discussion is the the contemporary definition of RELATIONSHIP.  

What marketing evolution has shown is RELATIONSHIP takes too long to establish FIRST, so access is more important. And the resulting 'free-for-all' has the Evil Empire chortling at the dumb-a**e* forking over thousands of dollars so they can be PREMIER.

What those of courage can do is associate those who pay the EVIL EMPIRE for deception to a 'ain't got no ethics' practice.

How to slow it down?
Defy your broker and local association. Do you have the courage?

 

Jun 26, 2018 05:25 AM
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

There will be no slowdown of this trend so long as agents get sold a bill of goods by the ZTR's and think there is a silver bullet to make their business grow.

Jun 26, 2018 03:56 AM
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Diana Dahlberg
1 Month Realty - Pleasant Prairie, WI
Real Estate in Kenosha, WI since 1994 262-308-3563

No Fray here ...

Jun 25, 2018 11:12 PM
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Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Andover, MA
Andover, MA: Andover Luxury Homes For Sale

John Mosier - that is why I work by referrals - thanks Buffini & Company

Jun 25, 2018 10:46 PM
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Laura Filip
Laura Filip Broker , Opening doors for All Seasons of Life - Whitesboro, TX
What can we do for you today?

Great question can it be slowed down??? Only if we do not join in on the fray of it all. Do not buy leads from them just stop do not do it .... Spend your money in other places and leave them behind. 

Jul 25, 2018 05:26 AM
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Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

I think the Broker should advise their new agents.

Jun 28, 2018 06:46 AM
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John Juarez
The Medford Real Estate Team - Fremont, CA
ePRO, SRES, GRI, PMN

Slow this trend? We are part of the trend and apologize to no one for seeking additional busienss in a professional manner. We won't attempt to manage other's business activities as long as they are legal and ethical.

Jun 27, 2018 06:20 PM
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Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

   Not going to end, anytime soon. 

Jun 26, 2018 08:14 PM
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Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty

Michael Jacobs nailed this one!

Jun 26, 2018 07:39 AM
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Richard Bazinet /MBA, CRS, ABR
West USA Realty - Scottsdale, AZ
Phoenix Scottsdale. Sellers, Buyers & Relocations

Website are selling so-called buyer-leads to agents because those buyer-agents are buying hope - the easy button. As long as those lead sellers create hope, the lead buyers want hope. The problem is that agents are terrible marketers, or don't have a marketing plan plan, and generally lack marketing skills and the effort necessary to specific marketing actionables.

Jun 26, 2018 06:37 AM
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Sandy Padula and Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West - Carlsbad, CA
Presence, Persistence & Perseverance

We do not concern ourselves with these issues and keep our 'noses to the grindstone' by focusing on our business.

Jun 26, 2018 05:49 AM
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Schaumburg Real Estate Agent Retired

Trend? This is now entrenched & it doesn't help new agents get business. They have to figure that out for themselves.

Jun 26, 2018 05:45 AM
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Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

As long as agents are willing to buy and compete for these types of leads, I see no end to it.

Jun 26, 2018 05:31 AM
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Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
REALTOR®, Broker

No way

Jun 26, 2018 05:11 AM