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John Mosier, Prescott's Patriot Agent  928 533-8142 (Realty ONE Group Mountain Desert)

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Dave Halpern
Dave Halpern Real Estate Agent, Inc., Louisville, KY (502) 664-7827 - Louisville, KY
Louisville Short Sale Expert

What's more important, the cost of the money or the availability of the money?

Dec 02, 2017 12:57 AM
Rainer
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Richard L. McKinney P.A.
Atlantic Shores Realty Expertise - Port St Lucie, FL
For Results that MOVE you on the Treasure Coast!

I have had many dealings both customer related and personal with private lenders. It all boils down to the borrowers available options. Your particular deal of about 10% is par for the road for hard money. If it's your only option and the is very little hassle with the application process then go for it. 

Dec 02, 2017 02:48 AM
Rainmaker
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Candice A. Donofrio
Next Wave RE Investments LLC Bullhead City AZ Commercial RE Broker - Fort Mohave, AZ
928-201-4BHC (4242) call/text

John, that's ridiculous-- no reason you should be expected to participate. There's a guy in your area we've worked with for 15 years. I'll message you his contact information.

Dec 02, 2017 02:02 AM
Rainmaker
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

You either do the deal or you don't. The guy with the money has the upper hand.

Dec 02, 2017 05:36 AM
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Anthony Acosta - ALLATLANTAcondos.com
Harry Norman, REALTORS® - Atlanta, GA
Associate Broker

I have never worked with one.

Dec 02, 2017 07:12 AM
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

Honestly, if the buyer needs private financing and they're willing to pay 10% interest (the $10K), then whether it's reasonable is up to the buyer. 

I might also suggest getting quotes from other private lenders.

Dec 01, 2017 10:31 PM
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Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, KW Diversified - Stevens Point, WI
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My investment business started with private lenders, fortunately I never had to pay a premium like this.  Some charged higher interest, some a piece of the profit, but all worked well with me and helped me to grow.

Dec 02, 2017 08:39 AM
Rainmaker
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Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

That is like 10 points and that is crazy. Here the average is 3 points and 12% interest on hard money. It could go up to 18% for more risky or a new investor. The highest points i have seen are 5

Dec 02, 2017 05:28 AM
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

Easy... I have no such experience. At the end of the day what is or isn't reasonable depends on the value of owning the property to the buyer.

Dec 02, 2017 04:35 AM
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Steve Bracero
Heisler and Mattson - Shrewsbury, MA
First Time Homebuyer and Investor Specialist

Network with multiple lenders, see what they can offer you 

Dec 02, 2017 03:01 AM
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Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty

I would if I had but I haven't!

Dec 02, 2017 02:14 AM
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Sean Casey
Patterson-Schwartz Real Estate - Newark, DE
Greenville, Hockessin, Newark & Bear Homes

Sorry, I don't have any experience in that area.  I'm glad Candice A. Donofrio was able to help you though!

Dec 02, 2017 03:21 PM
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Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

 

 In my experience, it's always a higher rate, and/or a lower LTV.   Not 10 points up front.  Yikes!

Dec 02, 2017 11:26 AM
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
https://HugginsHomes.com - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

Seems about right for a hard money loan (even cheap), but I don't have much experience with private lenders.

Dec 02, 2017 10:09 AM
Rainmaker
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

John,

Looks like Candice A. Donofrio has an answer for you..  All the best.  A

Dec 02, 2017 10:09 AM
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Nathan Gesner
American West Realty and Management - Cody, WY
Broker / Property Manager

Keep shopping it. This sounds unreasonably high to me.

Dec 02, 2017 07:21 AM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

Sounds like you should keep shopping!

Dec 02, 2017 04:35 AM
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Jeff Pearl
RE/MAX Distinctive / LIC in VA - Lovettsville, VA
Full Service Full Time Realtor

Some of them will try to take advantage of people that can't qualify for traditional financing. I would shop around. Here we have "Farm Credit of Virginia's" for example that do land loans. Try to negotiate the fee, pass the fee on to the buyer, or shop around for another lender. Is the final value of the property worth investing the $10,000.00 in?

Dec 02, 2017 04:09 AM
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Pete Xavier
Investments to Luxury - Pacific Palisades, CA
Outstanding Agent Referrals-Nationwide

Depends on your end game and how reasonable your end game is...if paying that premium is your only or best option in acquiring this property.

(After reading your other comment, I'm guessing that I don't have the whole story.)

Dec 02, 2017 12:36 AM
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Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

Compare his offer with your alternatives. I would talk with a local banker.

Dec 02, 2017 09:13 AM
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Lynnea Miller
Bend Premier Real Estate - Bend, OR
Premier Real Estate Service in Central Oregon

Hard money lenders set their terms. The buyer can either take it or leave it. If there wasn't a market for those types of loans at those fees, they wouldn't be offering it.

Dec 02, 2017 08:54 AM
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Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate Services

When I look at "reasonable" my first thought is ... depends.  If that is the only way you can get the home sold ... and the buyer is okay with the premium ... then it would lean towards being reasonable as it was agreed to. 

Dec 02, 2017 08:34 AM
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

Over my career in the business, "owner finacing ' has been rather limited(representing buyers or sellers).  Each "deal" has its own merits.

Dec 02, 2017 07:49 AM
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Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Happily Retired - Franklin, MA
Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team

Dave has the right thoughts on this situation....

Dec 02, 2017 07:45 AM
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Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

John Mosier Hard money lenders charge whatever they can get. Asking you to pay the premium is unheard of in my area. I would walk. He may call you back with better terms.

Dec 02, 2017 06:39 AM
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Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

I don't use those types of lenders in my business model.

Dec 02, 2017 06:37 AM
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Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

I did private lending and the biggest dynamic is that they/we move at our own speed and arrive at our own values. End result: take it or leave it

Dec 02, 2017 06:04 AM
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Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

I don't have any experience with them.

Dec 02, 2017 05:51 AM
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Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041
ReMax Realtec Group - Palm Harbor, FL
Making FLORIDA Real Estate EZ

How reasonable?

Not enough data.

However, that $10,000 is not uncommon in private lending situations.

More money is made through lending than facilitating the buying and selling of real estate.

Dec 02, 2017 05:37 AM
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Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

I have not.

Dec 02, 2017 04:48 AM
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Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

Have never had this experience.

Dec 05, 2017 01:35 PM
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Will Hamm
Hamm Homes - Aurora, CO
"Where There's a Will, There's a Way!"

10% for hard money sounds about right on the couple of deals I had.

 

Dec 05, 2017 10:50 AM
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Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

My experience is that private lenders earn a premium simply because they can charge it and get it. Other lenders generally won't touch it. Weigh the options and bite the bullet.

Dec 02, 2017 10:01 PM
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Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

So basically 17%? it is regular for locals. Depends on the lender, but it is from 8 to 24% and up, depends how short/long, how much money loaned, etc. 

Dec 02, 2017 09:54 PM
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William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

Only 2 times and both without an issue

Dec 02, 2017 09:14 PM