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Pete Xavier
Investments to Luxury - Pacific Palisades, CA
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Answer to your main question, if I'm not missing anything...

By the very nature of managing property...you would be in the property management business, with that you should most definitely contact your insurance agent, as others have suggested.

Summation; Property Management requires a different type of risk appetite and a tolerance for a more complicated business model, which most brokers are not willing to entertain, but to each his/her own.

Regarding needing a PMC...

This is like asking if a SFR or CDPE is required to do short sales, absolutely not needed! I know of agents managing MANY units without a PMC. Does the PMC designation help with credibility when prospecting? Of course it does.

Sometimes owners like to see some sort of designation/certification. 

Aug 16, 2016 08:35 PM
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Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

I believe only RE license is required.

''A broker's license is required for any person or company that, for compensation, leases or rents or offers to lease or rent, or places for rent, or solicits listings of places for rent, or solicits for prospective tenants, or negotiates the sale, purchase or exchanges of leases on real property, or collects rents from real property, or improvements thereon. A salesperson working under a broker may engage in such activities.''

Here is a link to PMC but it is not required to get it:

http://www.car.org/education/designations/pmc/

Aug 17, 2016 05:08 AM
Rainmaker
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Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Yes....of course. The license allows property management. If the properties belong to you, and people work for you, no license is required

Aug 16, 2016 11:56 PM
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Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Pete X has the answer.

Aug 16, 2016 11:33 PM
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

We can in my state. There are agents in my office that manage 50+ proprties for investors.

Aug 16, 2016 10:31 PM
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Thomas J. Nelson, REALTOR ® e-Pro CRS RCS-D Vets
Big Block Realty 858.232.8722 - La Jolla, CA
CEO of Vision Drive Realty - Coastal San Diego

The rule of thumb I've always followed:

Yes, ones you own or family owns.

NO for anyone else.

I property manage, I have for over 30 years, but only my own and I help my sister, vice versa. None of my brokers anywhere in CA have allowed me to do so for clients.

Aug 16, 2016 10:07 PM
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Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Happily Retired - Franklin, MA
Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team

Pete X with X Group Real Estate Advocates always has sound advice and you'd be wise to follow him....

Aug 16, 2016 08:58 PM
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
https://HugginsHomes.com - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

My understanding:  A CA real estate license allows you to manage properties for another person.  Being a PM company may be better for marketing your services but is not a requirement, as far as I know.  Neither is the PM designation from NAR, but the course work may be beneficial.

Aug 18, 2016 03:43 AM
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Kathleen Luiten
Resort and Second-Home Specialist - Princeville, HI
Kauai Luxury Ocean Home Sales

I think people misunderstood your use of PMC. Do you mean Property Management Company rather than a designation?

Aug 17, 2016 10:07 AM
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Evelyn Johnston
Friends & Neighbors Real Estate - Elkhart, IN
The People You Know, Like and Trust!

I don't know about California, but in Indiana you need a license.

Aug 17, 2016 09:44 AM
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Jennifer Mackay
Counts Real Estate Group, Inc. - Panama City, FL
Your Bay County Florida Realtor 850.774.6582

Again deferring to ca agents - parked and reading - just in case I get the itch to move back home :)

Aug 17, 2016 09:44 AM
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Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
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I've heard mixed things so it was interesting to hear what others here in CA have to say. I have managed my own properties but that's it. I still think BRE is important to check as well as your E and O insurance.

Aug 17, 2016 03:28 AM
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Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

You can in Florida.  I would consult an Attorney regarding California law.

Aug 17, 2016 03:26 AM
Rainmaker
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Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
REALTOR®, Broker

Looks like your CA cohorts gave you some great answers.

Aug 17, 2016 02:02 AM
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Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

Pretty much in every state.

Aug 17, 2016 12:47 AM
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Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Sorry, I don't know California laws.

Aug 17, 2016 12:36 AM
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Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
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As a CA Broker, I would be going to the source to validate what I can and cannot do.  I'd also be checking with my E&O provider to ensure it covers property management.  I wish you all the best in your endeavors. 

Aug 17, 2016 12:35 AM
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Michael J. Perry
KW Elite - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster, PA Relo Specialist

Probably , BUT Specialists always out earn Generalists !

Aug 17, 2016 12:02 AM
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Harry F. D'Elia III
WEDO Real Estate and Beyond, LLC - Phoenix, AZ
Investor , Mentor, GRI, Radio, CIPS, REOs, ABR

I am not from CA--

Aug 16, 2016 11:51 PM
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Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

You have received a good answer.

Aug 16, 2016 10:08 PM
Rainmaker
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FN LN
Toronto, ON

It is best to seek legal counsel and/or contact the regulators in CA.

Aug 16, 2016 05:29 PM
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Endre Barath, Jr.
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices California Properties - Beverly Hills, CA
Realtor - Los Angeles Home Sales 310.486.1002

If you do not work for a Brokerage House yes as an individual Broker, do you want to take on the hassle and liability?10% and a professional who does it day in and day out can do it...

Aug 16, 2016 03:43 PM
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Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

Jackson Stieb - check with the state guidelines or someone from CA who knows it all!

Aug 16, 2016 02:50 PM
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Patricia Kennedy
RLAH@properties - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

I'd ask a smart California lawyer this question.

Aug 16, 2016 02:00 PM
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Sam Shueh
(408) 425-1601 - San Jose, CA
mba, cdpe, reopro, pe

That depends on your E&O insurance coverage.

A self employed broker can manage properties w/o a PMC.  PMC is a CAR certification not a license.PMC designation

Most realtors manage a few properties.  Some brokerages do not care unless you have 100s of properties. Chk your employment contract e&o for restrictions.

Aug 16, 2016 01:56 PM